said it was the heart of american foreign policy. it's a great idea. i think they're right in the idea is economic state craft, jobs at home, aboard, jobs in the middle east. they didn't implement. part of it's congress, but again, i hear from people on the hill, they didn't talk to them. she proposed this $5 million incentive fund, but wouldn't give congress any details about how they're going to spend it. dead on arrival. john kerry proposed it last week. we'll see if he has more luck. >> so, what do we do in a place like syria where we were -- the fact in the fall that 20,000 have been killed. now, we're bemoaning the fact that 25,000 have been killed. if this had happened in europe, we'd be there. >> i was in bosnia -- >> kosovo. the killings never reached that level. and yet, we stormed in and stayed there for a very long time. the middle east in this case, we're staying out of there. and perhaps we need to stay out of there, but you know the books and the articles and the essays that are going to be written a decade from now about the blood on th